You'd think for folks who "dont give two hoots" about activist Robert Dean, or Bryan Wray's letter to him, wouldn't go ahead and give me 8 paragraphs of defensive maneuvering and "pot calling the kettle black" crud. My land!
Full text below from Ron Goodman at Clark County Citizens for Good Governance, from Facebook. Happy 4th!- Ron Goodman A question was raised on Twitter: Did Madore remove all of Betty Sue Morris's posts, too? Yes, look at his June 14 post and you will see him continually addressing a Betty Sure who isn't there. Could this be a sign of mental illness? Is he the modern MacDore,, arguing with Banquo's ghost?
Shea Michael Anderson So...Temple, Ron, and Jim - where does this leave Bryan Wray's nasty open letter to Robert Dean? Still haven't gotten a straight answer out of anyone involved with C3G2 except from Chuck Green, who informed me already that Madore's just a mean, mean, mean man. Which we know already. Are y'all circling the wagons, or what?- Shea Michael Anderson Madore blocked me as a "fifth element Portland commie pinko" (his words) over a year ago. Honestly, this isn't anything we didn't already know - and I'm surprised that anything nasty he does surprises anyone in opposition to him anymore. Let's move on and get a new Charter passed in the fall with an active campaign please.
Ron Goodman As you say, Shea, we should be moving on and getting a charter passed, which quite a number of us are involved doing. Bryan's post to Dean is personal between the two and has little to do with this group as it is not from the group and was posted on Dean's page, at which point he broadcast his shame far and wide by reposting it everywhere he could. The run-up involved Dean's prolonged whining, also whereever he could, about not being admitted to the group, calling us deranged - that's a credible way to influence a group you want access to - and more. Frankly, a guy who thinks dredging up some claim that Al Gore groped a Portland massage therapist and another about Neil Goldschmidt's sexual misdeeds is a valid argument about anything we talk about simply has no place here. We have numerous conservative voices in the group, but they don't serve up tripe. Frankly, I have blocked Dean because I don't have the stomach for tripe, and I wearied from trying to shuttle through five column feet - 60 column inches of his BS on Madore's page IN ONE POST. Now, I can cut to the chase much faster. In fact, now Madore's posts are practically devoid of comments. But I will still be paying attention to what he posts, because someone needs to counter the propaganda machine with authoritative facts, context, and perspective, and that's what I do.
Here's what Bryan wrote:
I want you to know that I don't hate you. Not by a long shot. And you're absolutely entitled to say whatever you want. It's the internet. That's what it's for. But honestly, truly... Please understand that Clark County has no idea who Robert Dean is. And they don't want to. I wholeheartedly believe your time would be better spent impacting your local community.
It's not nasty, Shea. It's honest. I would have said the same or similar, in fact, I did - happened to be the same day, only mine was first:
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Robert Dean laments he hasn't been let into our open group, as he claims, " I am always open minded and respectful - never belligerent or obstreperous"
On the other hand, I'd view someone who clogs up content with over 60 column inches - 5 feet - of commentary as on this 'almost nothing' post as 'obstreperous,' and scarcely call his charges regarding "directors of the various local non-profits and compare them to say the signers of the Quisling Letter that wanted Oregon to toll us" respectful. I'd also consider this claim as fringe: " I know that there is a cabal of people and interests that will willingly send the rest of us bankrupt so that they might personally profit," especially when considering what follows it: "Who are they? Take a look at the names of the members of your David Madore Derangement Syndrome Facebook group Clark County Citizens for Good Governance."
Yes, folks, there is some derangement going on, but its not within the confines of this group, which is why we are 'open' but discriminatory: we are NOT the government and have privileges of private association. With 500+ members, we clearly don't discriminate based on race, religion, gender, orientation, age, party affiliation, or philosophical persuasion. We are Republican, Independent, Democrat, Libertarian, conservative, and progressive, agnostics, atheists, and true believers, but we draw the line at obstreperous. We also value people's time and don't have 'contributors' who consume all the oxygen. Which is why I have nothing more to say about this post.
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We're not pirates, and we're not deranged, and we're not part of a cabal, and the guy who make all these wild-haired claims will remain forever outside looking in.
Now, let's get that charter passed.- Shea Michael Anderson Ron - go view the whole letter on my blog, rather than snippets. Let alone giant 8 paragraph replies to me. Then tell me what you think of it. For someone who has "nothing" to say, sounds like you have quite a bit to tell.
- Shea Michael Anderson Also (as you can read on my blog) I dont edit comments at all. Nor do I think C3G2 folks are some sort of cabal, pirates, whatever.
- Shea Michael Anderson Great. Go read the WHOLE Wray letter first before you judiciously edit on here. Yeah, Robert's abrasive. In fact, I usually disagree with him. And you're well aware I'm not anywhere near Madore's pocket. What I wonder is why all this energy being spent defending Bryan's vitriolic and nasty letter - seems to me there's more than meets the eye here.
- Ron Goodman Boiled down - I think the message is, I'm not going to waste my time reading your stuff, and I think you ought not waste your time writing it. 'Nuff said.
- Shea Michael Anderson And believe you me, I'm busy working on my next job steps, helping my aunt with her lavender farm for the summer, keeping up my garden consulting/teaching biz, and focusing on getting Porta Potties in the parks - in addition to making inquiries into anyone focused on shutting folks down.
- Shea Michael Anderson Good deal. Don't you worry in that case. Just keep putting your head in the sand and pulling "pot calling kettle black" fouls on the opposition.
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Shea, Ron's reference to my comments about Al Gore's and Neil Goldschmidt's sexual dalliances was in my David Madore page review. It was to refute Greg Owens' rather stupid accusation that David Madore had taken credit for attracting Asian massage parlors with his fee holiday.
ReplyDeleteBryan's letter to me was in a private FB message. He had forwarded copies to others so the message was public. I felt I had to make my response public to defend my honor. Thank you for taking up the cause of good governance, Shea.
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